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Open Discussion 2 (2019) (69) 2019/12/14 Anonymous I've already stated an argument isn't necessary, only to communicate it to you. Given that it's not necessary, and your only refutation is to the argument, then is there any refutation beyond that?
Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design (11) 2019/12/14 Anonymous The 2Mb difference you were talking about is not between us and *any* other animal is it? I was thinking it was our difference with chimpanzees or suchlike.
Vacation Travel Is Overrated (8) 2019/12/14 Louis #14829 Do you think this value enriches day to day life? I think it can, but I’m not sure if you were getting at that or something different. E.g. maybe country X does a different thing at the supermarket and having been there, the person is
Open Thread: Objectivism Discussion (138) 2019/12/13 Anonymous [image]
Vegan Debate (2) 2019/12/13 curi **Vegans:** Intelligence comes by degrees. E.g. humans *on average* have 5000 intelligence, cows 500, but dumb, young or crippled people might be near or even below cows. **curi:** I don't think it's a matter of degree that a human can learn a comp
Anne Discussion (59) 2019/12/13 Anne B Update
Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes (16) 2019/12/12 curi #14818 Thanks for the questions, I think they helped clarify things.
Mario Odyssey Discussion (147) 2019/12/12 GISTE First look at Wooded route
FI Posting Tips (14) 2019/12/11 curi When you participate at FI or curi, other people have no responsibility for any choice you make. It's up to you. Make your own decisions. Anything I say (or anyone else says) is simply an idea for you to evaluate and use (or not) as you see fit. Your
Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas (175) 2019/12/11 curi > we need a representative sample. A random sample as I have described it (pulling samples from a bag) is just one way to get a representative sample (for finite samples as you point out). I think the problem you are getting at is: how do we know our
Refutation of Tabarrok’s Criticism of Reisman (2) 2019/12/11 curi #14787 What's your opinion of that article, particularly the Reisman section?
Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms (22) 2019/12/11 curi Let me put it another way that maybe you'll agree with: IMO Brennan is not on Mises' level. It's not close. They aren't similar.
Freeze Discussion (3) 2019/12/11 Freeze #14786 Will do. https://curi.us/tcs/Articles/DDIsTCSRevolutionary.html > We know that any protocol for dealing with conflicting opinions that refers to the attributes of the source rather than the content of each opinion, is anti-rational. The c
Criticism is Contextual (1) 2019/12/10 Alisa Similarly, a polar bear is adapted to surviving in the arctic, but it wouldn't survive in the ocean.
Open Discussion (2018) (976) 2019/12/10 anonymous Is cheerleading a dangerous sport? Most seem to think so. What are your thoughts? https://www.cheershirts.net
Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy (8) 2019/12/09 Alisa #14759 Suppose you have a judgment of some idea. And suppose that judgment is something other than refuted/non-refuted. Then that judgment is refuted.
Error Identifying Superpower (4) 2019/12/09 Anonymous You could easily use this to make a bunch of money because you'd have a competitive advantage in investment. Find businesses with making conceptual errors and short them, or find businesses that you don't see any major errors with and invest in them.
Productive Global Warming Discussion (82) 2019/12/08 Atomsk's Sanakan #14615 > "He won't discuss causes and explanations like how clouds work, why, and how to tell." Anyone with functioning eyes can see I discussed clouds in comment #14568, beginning with: "Below is an explanation of cloud feedback for you: "
Discussing Animal Intelligence (28) 2019/12/08 Anonymous #14754 Are you a dualist, mystic or what? You haven't explained your concept of non-computational consciousness. Or you think algorithms have a different algorithm which is conscious but unintelligent? You haven't really engaged with the issues produc
Psychology Studies Mostly Suck (1) 2019/12/08 Anonymous You are exactly right here
Dumb, Dishonest Memers (6) 2019/12/06 curi I don't think social media is the problem. It's just a tool. Overall I think the internet is great and makes things much better. Some current designs, like Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat and Reddit, are structured badly to encourage irrational interac
Potential Debate Topics (16) 2019/12/05 curi #14718 Suffering and intelligence are related. See https://curi.us/2249-discussion-tree-animal-welfare and https://curi.us/archives/list_category/115
Social Metaphysics (47) 2019/12/05 curi #14706 Do you think life involves many choices between what's popular and socially accepted vs. what you think is true, and you have to pick one or the other? Do you think that's a common and important issue? Or do you think they're broadly compatible
Binswanger Misquotes Popper (2) 2019/12/05 curi #14700 There are idiots in all large groups of people. Often, many of them. Often they misunderstand and misstate the ideas of the school of thought they claim to be part of. Binswanger could win debates with many people about many things. He looks
Open Letter to Machine Intelligence Research Institute (162) 2019/12/05 curi I updated the post with the (old) replies from the one guy at MIRI who responded (with non-answers).

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I've already stated an argument isn't necessary, only to communicate it to you. Given that it's not necessary, and your only refutation is to the argument, then is there any refutation beyond that? Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
#14844 You have an understanding of what having an experience is and why it's infallible. But this understanding is itself a fallible argument. John Galt Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
I don't need to deny nor affirm it for my claim to be true, because whatever is the case if it says I'm not having an experience, it is automatically false due to the experience I'm having. There isn't some ontological superseding of this. My brain be Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
#14842 Your brain is a computer. When you have an experience, that refers to certain computational states. You can misunderstand 1) which computational states are experiences 2) what computational state your brain is in Parallel arguments apply John Galt Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
> Do you mean *seeing* it, or touching it, or something? I'm saying, to comment on my experience of a piece of paper, requires an experience of the piece of paper. I'm also not required to make arguments with inferences here, I could say absolut Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
> A piece of paper is an experience No it's a piece of paper. Do you mean *seeing* it, or touching it, or something? In any case, you're making arguments. You're using reasoning to judge that the text you wrote in your comment is correct. But curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
Reply Shadow Starshine Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
#14833 Correctly claiming to have had a particular experience, or correctly claiming there is experience in general, are both dependent on correctly understanding what "experience" means and how to tell whether something is an experience or not (or ge curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/14
The 2Mb difference you were talking about is not between us and *any* other animal is it? I was thinking it was our difference with chimpanzees or suchlike. Anonymous Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/14
#14821 Forgot to expand Shadow Starshine's longer comment for the screenshot. Here's the full text: > @curi Finished watching it. Some of my thoughts here: > 1) I'm actually not sure I understand the principled/practical distinction being made h curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/14
#14829 Do you think this value enriches day to day life? I think it can, but I’m not sure if you were getting at that or something different. E.g. maybe country X does a different thing at the supermarket and having been there, the person is Louis Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/14
#14834 I think there's a decent sized evolutionary gap between any other animal and intelligence, or else some others would have probably evolved intelligence. curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/14
> IIRC the part of the human genome that differs from animals is only like 2 megabytes of data. Even given some good library functions available from the other genes, 2 megabytes seems like quite a low amount to specify intelligence with. The jump Anonymous Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/14
Infallible certainty about the idea that "There is experience" jordancurve Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/13
[image] Anonymous Open Thread: Objectivism Discussion 2019/12/13
[image] from https://discord.gg/calliopeanclub i tried asking if he had econ args but he didn't. then he mentioned being former Oist so i tried asking args for that his view is something like: Rand curi Open Thread: Objectivism Discussion 2019/12/13
**Vegans:** Intelligence comes by degrees. E.g. humans *on average* have 5000 intelligence, cows 500, but dumb, young or crippled people might be near or even below cows. **curi:** I don't think it's a matter of degree that a human can learn a comp curi Vegan Debate 2019/12/13
#14827 I think there's value in getting a broader perspective on life and realizing that lots of stuff you take for granted can be done differently. Not everything about your culture is just how life is and must be. curi Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/13
#14827 Damnit, > I’m curious as to whether you have extra reasons for you think exposure to different cultures and customs other than: Should be: I’m curious as to whether you have extra reasons for thinking exposure is valuable other Anonymous Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/13
#14807 > People think the exposure to different cultures and customs is valuable. I think that's true but also travel is overrated too. I found some standard responses for why it’s valuable here: https://leselfes.com/understanding-different-cu Louis Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/13
I don't know much about power consumption of computation, though in my understanding, PCs use far, far more power than is theoretically possible, so maybe brains are way more efficient. I also don't know re hardware details about *slow* neurons. curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/13
> Humans work differently because they’re capable of doing evolution within their minds to create new algorithms, new behaviors, new ideas. I think you're right. Some questions: How large a population of candidate ideas would we need for this to Anonymous Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/13
Update Anne B Anne Discussion 2019/12/13
AY deleted another comment on his debate video: [image] I'm also informed that Andy B sent a Twitter direct message to Ask Yourself asking if he knew comments were being deleted on his videos, and Ask curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/13
I debated Ask Yourself and Bryn on voice chat. Got banned in under 30min. https://youtu.be/lOG2z-xpuQc?t=2452 Ask Yourself uploaded it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysa-_QRut3g On his video, someone posted the following comment whic curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/12
Shadow Starshine, who made some videos critical of AY, joined the FI discord today and we're chatting atm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW5gboua9d4 [image] curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/12
Note: The standard way people think about memes is replicating between people, from mind to mind. What I'm talking about is memetic evolution within one mind. curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/12
#14818 Thanks for the questions, I think they helped clarify things. curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
Thanks for answering my questions. No more for the moment. I think your idea is worthwhile and a good refinement. Hope you get more discussion. Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
Muhammad makes list of top 10 baby names in the U.S. for first time Alisa Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/12
#14815 Yeah that's what I was thinking. Some core memes suppressing lots of criticism, and then most memes in a static society don't have selection pressure on them to do a lot of criticism suppression. Though, mentioning again, this is a simplifie curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
The type of static meme that Deutsch described which suppresses criticism mostly in regard to itself would be rare right? Maybe they once weren't, but once the core group of general criticism-suppressing memes evolved the specialised memes would not h Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
#14813 I guess the benefit would be if the static companion memes had more than zero effectiveness at keeping the person alive. curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
You say that static companion memes benefit from the core group of general criticism suppressing static memes. Is this relationship symbiotic? Do that core groups of memes gain any benefit from static companion memes? Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
Updates after [talking with bryn and Ask Yourself](https://youtu.be/lOG2z-xpuQc): **Vegans:** So if you met a zombie person who's not intelligent, it's totally ok to shoot them in the head with a headgun? (Ignore the issue of property crimes or pur curi Vegan Debate 2019/12/12
> Would one way of seeming good be to actually be good? Not necessarily. Depends how divorced from reality people's judgments in a static society are (I think a *lot*). So I was thinking more like whatever dumb standards of judgment people have, it curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
> They could compete by e.g. seeming good in some way, as well as directly attacking each other. Would one way of seeming good be to actually be good? I guess this mostly doesn't happen because people's standards are so low. And I guess if it is ac Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
> But a static meme that can do general purpose criticism suppression has sophisticated adapted knowledge to prevent rivals getting a toe-hold. Yes but it need not have sophisticated knowledge to prevent *non-rivals* from getting a toe-hold. So curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
It makes sense that static memes can have reach so that they do general purpose criticism suppression and not just criticism suppression in regard to themselves. As you say, if this were not the case, then we should expect to see considerably more inn Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
#14805 Yeah travel is consumption, not investment. People think the exposure to different cultures and customs is valuable. I think that's true but also travel is overrated too. A lot of people understand cultural differences more IRL than from curi Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/12
First look at Wooded route GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/12
Western culture also portrays travelling as a rich in learning activity. Especially for younger people i.e. 18-30. I’m not sure this is a good thing, so I thought I’d write down some of my thoughts. First, what do they actually learn that they Louis Vacation Travel Is Overrated 2019/12/12
#14803 Static societies live very inefficiently and ineffectively! They're bad at it! I don't think it's fine-grained damage. I talk with people and find they are irrational about wide varieties of stuff, including ideas they'd never heard of befor curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
> Some static memes do (partially or fully) general purpose criticism suppression rather than only suppressing criticism of themselves. How does this square with static memes evolving in the direction of only causing fine-grained damage to the hold Anonymous Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/12
#14801 Jorge Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/11
#14799 I can give a hypothetical example. Maybe horoscopes seem really great and useful to people full of static memes who don't think critically about anything, but the horoscope meme itself doesn't suppress criticism. And you can insert anything curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/11
#14799 Don't know, it's a theoretical category, and there are the complications I mentioned, and precisely specifying any type of meme is hard. curi Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/11
Example Jorge Third Type of Meme: Static Companion Memes 2019/12/11
When you participate at FI or curi, other people have no responsibility for any choice you make. It's up to you. Make your own decisions. Anything I say (or anyone else says) is simply an idea for you to evaluate and use (or not) as you see fit. Your curi FI Posting Tips 2019/12/11
> we need a representative sample. A random sample as I have described it (pulling samples from a bag) is just one way to get a representative sample (for finite samples as you point out). I think the problem you are getting at is: how do we know our curi Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas 2019/12/11
#14787 What's your opinion of that article, particularly the Reisman section? curi Refutation of Tabarrok’s Criticism of Reisman 2019/12/11
Related: There was a [voice debate between Justin, TheRat, Avi, Nicole and Lovey2](https://curi.us/files/recordings/Rat-Justin-Vegan-Debate-2019-12-10.mp3) ([transcript](https://curi.us/files/recordings/Rat-Justin-Vegan-Debate-2019-12-10-transcript.tx curi Animal Welfare and The Problem of Design 2019/12/11
#14789 It's a learning process. Just get a whole run done, see what time you get, improve it. Getting individual level times that fit a 1.5 hour run seems fine as a criterion for moving on. Doing full runs will give you additional practice and later y Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/11
Let me put it another way that maybe you'll agree with: IMO Brennan is not on Mises' level. It's not close. They aren't similar. curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/11
#14781 Jorge Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/11
#14786 Will do. https://curi.us/tcs/Articles/DDIsTCSRevolutionary.html > We know that any protocol for dealing with conflicting opinions that refers to the attributes of the source rather than the content of each opinion, is anti-rational. The c Freeze Freeze Discussion 2019/12/11
Monte Carlo simulation Alisa Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/11
Goal for whole speed run, factoring in variance GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/11
Lake kingdom timed run GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/11
"Deflation: When Austrians become interventionists" by Philipp Bagus includes a section criticising Reisman: http://direct.mises.org/sites/default/files/qjae6_4_3_4.pdf oh my god it's turpentine Refutation of Tabarrok’s Criticism of Reisman 2019/12/10
I suggest finishing FoR ch. 1, 3-4, 7-8 before reading Popper. curi Freeze Discussion 2019/12/10
Popper's Best Freeze Freeze Discussion 2019/12/10
Similarly, a polar bear is adapted to surviving in the arctic, but it wouldn't survive in the ocean. Alisa Criticism is Contextual 2019/12/10
Practicing Lake boss fight GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/10
Is cheerleading a dangerous sport? Most seem to think so. What are your thoughts? https://www.cheershirts.net anonymous Open Discussion (2018) 2019/12/10
#14780 I watched it btw. I thought it was pretty good. The beginning with the stats was less interesting, the argument about making comparisons with equally moral societies was more interesting. Most of the Q&A was less interesting again. Brennan i curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/10
#14763 Jorge Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/10
#14763 > Under different rules of property, trying to keep the products of your labor for yourself could be considered a form of violence, just like trying to take someone else's property under capitalism. Being considered violence (by a society Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/10
I already agreed with most (or a lot) of what he says by the time I came across him, but this guy is great: https://expressiveegg.org/portfolio/33-myths-of-the-system/ His worldview is pretty much diametrically opposed to Elliot's I think. Yet str Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/10
#14776 My mistake. I saw the 2 on the end of the comment number, matching the second most recent comment, my #14772, but I but didn't realize the tens digit had also changed. curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14775 My questions in #14774 were directed at #14752, the person who said: > As someone who is quite close to being an anarcho-primitivist, I am optimistic about human nature, which is why I don't believe that in a natural society anyone would eve Another Anon Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14774 The "Objectivism" I mentioned in that comment is a philosophy. And from the blog sidebar: > Philosopher & classical liberal. I like Ayn Rand, Karl Popper, William Godwin & Ludwig von Mises. See also http://fallibleideas.com/books curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14752 Just curious - where did you get your ideas? Who are the philosophers you admire and why? Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14765 Jorge Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14771 I'm an Objectivist and classical liberal. Re division of labor, here is an explanation of its value from an Objectivist + Austrian economist: https://mises.org/library/capitalism-treatise-economics > **The Multiplication of Knowledge** > curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
hmm yes, I am probably opposed to the division of labour, come to think of it. however I do not consider it an important topic admittedly your view of human nature doesn't seem to be quite as bad as many capitalists and modern people in general. I Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
> At the end of the day there is clearly a fundamental disagreement on human nature going on here. As someone who is quite close to being an anarcho-primitivist, I am optimistic about human nature, which is why I don't believe that in a natural societ curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
> Why does voluntary communal sharing imply that you may keep the products of your labor? This is presuming a particular notion of property, but property is just a social construct, there is no law of physics which says that anything "belongs" to anyo curi Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14759 Suppose you have a judgment of some idea. And suppose that judgment is something other than refuted/non-refuted. Then that judgment is refuted. Alisa Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy 2019/12/09
Individuals are the entities that think and produce things. Any system of "property" which doesn't account for that sounds like a system of rationalized plunder. Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14765 Under a different system of property there would be no sense in which the products of your labor were "yours" to begin with, so whether or not to keep it wouldn't be your choice to make. In the same way that, under capitalism, you have no say Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
> Why does voluntary communal sharing imply that you may keep the products of your labor? Can you define in what sense the "sharing" would be "voluntary" if people have no choice in the matter, no option to keep stuff? Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
#14760 > DD might point out that the floater theory is not hard-to-vary, but I would point out (as this discussion began) that DD’s hard-to-vary criteria sneaks induction back into Popper’s epistemology. How does the hard-to-vary criterion Anonymous Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas 2019/12/09
> The idea of non-violent, voluntary anarchism presupposes capitalist premises. Voluntary communal sharing implies I may keep the products of my labor for myself. What I produce is, therefore, my property which no one may take. It’s mine. I can shar Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/09
You could easily use this to make a bunch of money because you'd have a competitive advantage in investment. Find businesses with making conceptual errors and short them, or find businesses that you don't see any major errors with and invest in them. Anonymous Error Identifying Superpower 2019/12/09
#14751 actually that's not exactly what happened. for each of the 10 boss fights, I tried the 2 things that I had mentioned trying from the guide: > So I listened to the explanations. I was able to do the first part on first try — triple jump ont GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/09
>The idea that the laws of physics don't change over time is irrelevant to the problem of induction because it gives you no information about what features of physical systems don't change. Only the actual laws of physics do that. What I was trying kieren Rationally Resolving Conflicts of Ideas 2019/12/09
> - For the ideas of which you have a judgment, *any* judgment other than refuted/non-refuted is refuted. What is refuted in that case, the idea or the judgment? Anonymous Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy 2019/12/08
Two notes on video 2 Alisa Product Release: Yes or No Philosophy 2019/12/08
#14615 > "He won't discuss causes and explanations like how clouds work, why, and how to tell." Anyone with functioning eyes can see I discussed clouds in comment #14568, beginning with: "Below is an explanation of cloud feedback for you: " Atomsk's Sanakan Productive Global Warming Discussion 2019/12/08
#14614 > "what are some resources that you recommend for laymen on climate change?" Australian Academy of Science: http://aries.mq.edu.au/publications/other/Science-of-Climate-Change.pdf National Academy of Sciences: https://www.nap.edu/read/1 Atomsk's Sanakan Productive Global Warming Discussion 2019/12/08
#14754 Are you a dualist, mystic or what? You haven't explained your concept of non-computational consciousness. Or you think algorithms have a different algorithm which is conscious but unintelligent? You haven't really engaged with the issues produc Anonymous Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/08
Animals aren't intelligent, but they are conscious (unlike an algorithm or computer). They can't calculate things intelligently like we do, but they can feel pain, and inflicting that on them is bad regardless of the fact that they are unintelligent. Anonymous Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/08
You are exactly right here Anonymous Psychology Studies Mostly Suck 2019/12/08
At the end of the day there is clearly a fundamental disagreement on human nature going on here. As someone who is quite close to being an anarcho-primitivist, I am optimistic about human nature, which is why I don't believe that in a natural society Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/08
#14746 I was doing something that I had been doing a lot. If I found a move to be way too hard for me, I treated it as too advanced for me now and I found an easier way. For example, in the Sand kingdom, getting the moon from the bird was very har GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/08
Me, repeatedly: "subjective" is the most confused word in English. Just saw this, italics added: https://www.etymonline.com/word/subjective > c. 1500, "characteristic of one who is submissive or obedient," from Late Latin subiectivus "of the curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/08
#14747 > I can imagine, even though I can't articulate, that there is "something it is like to be a bat" experiencing pain. Is that something like being a video game boss losing a fight? > Imagine a dog given a choice between a piece of liver Alisa Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/07
The case for animal (general) intelligence is basically "They do behaviors that look (general) intelligent. How else could you explain their observed behavior?" I'm countering that case by providing an alternative and simpler explanation, as well as a curi Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/07
>> Nonhuman animals have no behaviors that can no be replicated by software algorithms. Humans do, because we have general intelligence. > Should say can't be replicated by *non-GI* software algorithms. GI is a different type of algorithm. Algorith Anonymous Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/07
I think practicing beating the boss the wrong way 10 times was a bad idea. Why not check the right way and practice that? Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/07
Practicing Lake route GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/07
#14743 If there are a million people in society, you get 1 part in 1 million of what you produce. That incentive rounds to zero. Anonymous Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/07
Incentives is the wrong enphasis Jorge Voluntarist Left Anarchism Criticisms 2019/12/07
First look at Lake route GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/07
> Algorithm is a generic word. It's also a somewhat confusing term. In computer science, an algorithm is a finite sequence of instructions that starts from an initial state, produces an output, and then *halts*. So macOS and other operating syst Anonymous Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/07
#14732 What is the standard by which you judge that socialist policies work? oh my god it's turpentine Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/07
I don't think social media is the problem. It's just a tool. Overall I think the internet is great and makes things much better. Some current designs, like Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat and Reddit, are structured badly to encourage irrational interac curi Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/06
> Nonhuman animals have no behaviors that can no be replicated by software algorithms. Humans do, because we have general intelligence. Should say can't be replicated by *non-GI* software algorithms. GI is a different type of algorithm. Algorithm i curi Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
> If animals can suffer, then they almost certainly suffer in nature. There are some philosophers who do think we have a moral imperative to eliminate nonhuman animal suffering in nature--e.g., David Pearce. However, once we're in that kind of situati curi Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
reply part 1 curi Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
#14732 Socialism is rather thoroughly wrong – a claim DD seemed to agree with, and didn't deny, in the past – so this is a sign of error by DD. And it's not like he's come out with some new argument in defense of part of socialism or found some im Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
#14731 Thanks. I can't speak for all vegans, obviously. I'm also enjoying the conversation (at this point, I don't think it's a debate because some of Elliot's claims seem to require background knowledge that I don't possess). If animals can suf pdxthehunted Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
Thoughts on Psycho Technologies? Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
#14730 That's good! If something works it doesn't matter where it came from. DD is a fallibilist Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
#14728 I'm a bystander but just a note to say thanks for seriously trying to understand Elliot's position. I'm enjoying the debate. One question: What do vegan's make of the process of biological evolution? This regularly causes animals to be maim Bystander Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
#14724 At about 28:50 DD is asked a question and in the course of answering it at 30:20 he sez Britain retained the good things and rejected the bad things about its experiment with socialism. He's endorsing socialist policies. oh my god it's turpentine Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
I've frequently had similar thoughts on (internet) memes and the interesting way that they've affected discourse. I hadn't considered how they affect our thinking itself, but that makes perfect sense. I've been noticing an adjacent feature of meme pdxthehunted Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/06
#14725 Interesting. Thanks for sharing these. BTW, I'm sorry that your post got deleted on the debate a vegan subreddit. I was there--arguing for the case of animal rights--and I'm very disappointed in the subreddit. Elliot's argument has compl pdxthehunted Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
#14723 This is one of the most common criticisms I get, though an unusually friendly and reasonable version of it. People differ. There is no way to please everyone at once. I could please a larger proportion but that means targeting stuff more curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
#14725 What ideas in which books (quotes so I can find the right spots?) are relevant to what nodes? And he can post anonymously himself here. curi Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
I was asked to pass these onto you anonymously for criticism of your nodes. **What Computers Can't Do: The Limits of Artificial Intelligence** https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060906138/ref=x_gr_w_bb_sin?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_bb_sin-20&linkCode=a TheRat Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
David Deutsch on Brexit and Error Correction N Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
https://elliottemple.com/consulting > What I’ve done differently is put my ideas in public and then address every single criticism from every critic who is willing to discuss. I’ve answered all comers for over 15 years. If any of my ideas are m anonymous fan Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/06
What seems easy? Identifying errors? Anonymous 2 Error Identifying Superpower 2019/12/06
It is still me, forgot to sign :) Polvonauta Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
#14691 There is more to the reality than idea/non-idea. Emotion does not only happen in the mind, like a abstract concept of "happy". Emotions are also physical : serotonin, cortisol, dopamine, adrenaline, heart rate, blood pressure, muscular t Anonymous Discussing Animal Intelligence 2019/12/06
#14718 Suffering and intelligence are related. See https://curi.us/2249-discussion-tree-animal-welfare and https://curi.us/archives/list_category/115 curi Potential Debate Topics 2019/12/05
animal rights Daniel Potential Debate Topics 2019/12/05
#14716 Kresser is openly anti technology and anti industry later and Rogan doesn’t disagree. (There were bits and pieces of it throughout but he later made a clear, strong statement about wanting to scale back industry and technology.) Kresser so curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
#14709 Chris Kresser is a snake oil salesman. E.g. see this page: https://chriskresser.com/about/ > Conventional medicine doesn’t stand a chance of turning the tide against chronic disease. > What does? A revolution to reinvent healthcare, curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
RIP Noble Soul? curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6808840-the-works-of-h-beam-piper > Every society rests on a barbarian base. The people who don’t understand civilization, and wouldn’t like it if they did. The hitchhikers. The people who create nothing an Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
#14712 That sounds like your Sand Kingdom time is good enough to move on to learning more Kingdoms and getting a whole run finished. Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/05
Goal for whole speedrun GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/05
Seems easy. Everything has flaws. Otherwise you couldn't make progress. Errors aren't that valuable if you have nothing to replace them with. Anonymous Error Identifying Superpower 2019/12/05
#14706 Do you think life involves many choices between what's popular and socially accepted vs. what you think is true, and you have to pick one or the other? Do you think that's a common and important issue? Or do you think they're broadly compatible curi Social Metaphysics 2019/12/05
Debunking the Vegan Documentary "Game Changers" - https://youtu.be/Dq4Apc2Xk7Q Comments on first half hour. I expect to have a similar opinion of the rest, if I watch it. this Chris Kresser guy is ok. he's sharing some decent info like about DIA curi Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
What about subconscious knowledge? Anonymous Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/05
That's not a positive interpretation of the idea of memes and GIFs itself. That's just saying people might do a bad thing for good reason. Anonymous Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/05
Judging from the lyrics alone You could say that he would seek social acceptance. Augustine Social Metaphysics 2019/12/05
#14701 Roughly what time do you need in Sand to get a 2 hour overall game completion time? 1.5 hrs? 1.25 hrs? 1hr? Do you have a rough idea of your current goal or what times mean? Anonymous Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/05
#14702 I wasn't aiming for completeness. And yes I have. Have *you* thought of any positive explanations? Here are some partially positive partial explanations: Memeing started with young people who hate their parents and teachers – for good curi Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/05
#14700 There are idiots in all large groups of people. Often, many of them. Often they misunderstand and misstate the ideas of the school of thought they claim to be part of. Binswanger could win debates with many people about many things. He looks curi Binswanger Misquotes Popper 2019/12/05
All the explanations you've discussed are negative interpretations. Have you tried to think of any positive interpretations? Anonymous Dumb, Dishonest Memers 2019/12/05
Timed run of Sand kingdom #1 5:57 GISTE Mario Odyssey Discussion 2019/12/05
That right there is why I don't take Objectivists seriously whatsoever. "Objectivism holds that perception is infallible." What a fucking idiot. Anonymous Binswanger Misquotes Popper 2019/12/05
In defense of Peer review vs Blogs Anonymous Open Discussion 2 (2019) 2019/12/05
I updated the post with the (old) replies from the one guy at MIRI who responded (with non-answers). curi Open Letter to Machine Intelligence Research Institute 2019/12/05
Comments on Yudkowsky's Hero Licensing (linked in the OP, talks about civilizational inadequacy): http://curi.us/2065-open-letter-to-machine-intelligence-research-institute#9282 Anonymous Academia's Inadequacy 2019/12/05

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