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Another element that I must tell you about how the terrorists used people, used children. A few days after the battle ended, we saw a 6-year-old child with a little bag going in the camp. One of the soldiers asked him, "Listen, what do you have there in the bag?" and so he dropped it and ran away. The bag included three booby-traps. Six years old. Now obviously this child went back to his family or wherever. A six year old cannot understand a lot, but obviously he understood it was not a good thing to do, but it is unbelievable the use of children.

The other experience that we had was with two old women and one man. At every house that was in the end destroyed, we called upon the people, once and twice and three times, to come out - the ones who do not want to fight. We said, "Please come out". Obviously in some cases some people came out, and in one case two old women and one man came out of a house, with their hands up. Just behind them there was a terrorist who shot at the soldiers and afterwards detonated explosions. So you know, people talk here about all kinds of moral elements, accusing the Israeli army. I am very proud of the moral values of every specific soldier, the most simple soldier in our army.

and this (same source):

I will tell you about one case. There was one house in this very area, in this area from which about ten terrorists were shooting at us. This whole house was basically booby-trapped - it was like a minefield. We sent two of our very special units to explode the booby-trapped front of this house, because it was impossible in any other way from a military point of view, to overcome these terrorists. When our two soldiers from the very special unit came close to the house, they saw that there were one woman and two children, and they did not put the explosives under the house, and did not blow up the house. While they were withdrawing back to their forces, one of them was seriously wounded, the other not very seriously.

The IDF is not just humane. It's too humane. They should have killed them, not aborted the mission. Or better yet just bombed the house in the first place without going too near. It had ten terrorists shooting from it for crying outloud.

PS sheesh

An IDF video disproves incriminating media claims from the day before, yet many outlets ignore or bury the new information

Read the source, which is itself sourced, if you don't believe it.

Elliot Temple on December 23, 2003

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I followed the honestreporting link to the washington post follow-up. I don't think it's at all clear in this particular video instance that the IDF was too humane, nor whether most media can be faulted for not giving more credence to IDF's spin attempts the day following the raids. I do think repeated exaggeration and lying by the same Palestinian spokespeople should make reporters more sceptical, but doesn't seem to. They seem to have no problem being sceptical about IDF claims, however.

Rowina at 7:58 AM on December 26, 2003 | #283 | reply | quote

the humane thing was said WRT the first story. i haven't watched the washington post thing, but given it involves them shooting missiles to blow up terrorists, it doesn't sound *too* humane, it sounds just right.

Elliot at 8:04 AM on December 26, 2003 | #284 | reply | quote

I didn't watch the video, either -- lo speed connection. The WP reported that the IDF admitted to lying about the type of missile used (for security reasons) but denied that it could have caused many civilian casualties, although the explosives in the car may have detonated. The Palestinians claimed that the civilians were obscured from an aerial view by trees and overhangs. Of course, if the bystanders were obscured by trees and overhangs, the IDF had no reason to hold their fire! I do wonder what missile-security issue would make them lie.

Rowina at 4:32 PM on December 26, 2003 | #285 | reply | quote

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